Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

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Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by smdub » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:32 pm

I loathe myself already as I'm starting a tire thread :screwy:

Background: Getting the bikes ready for the Shen 500 in two weeks and a 4-day trip to Hatfield McCoy two weeks after that. Some of the guys I ride w/ are top level riders. Used to race, done the TAT, half my age, twice as crazy, much better fitness, etc. I have all the excuses. They love technical nasty stuff. Last year, we went straight to the advanced ATV connector trails on the Shen 500 the first day and ignored the whole planned route. In the past I've been able to sort-of keep up by using my old age and wisdom. That boils down to basically cheating and bringing more machine (light KTM vs their heavy DRZs) and some training (trials.) Over the last year they've all upgraded to a new 2T 300 Husky, newer KTM500, and a new Beta 430. I am screwed. :lol2:

So here I am yesterday staring at the two rear tires I have for the KTM. One is a Pirelli MT43 Pro trials-type hybrid and the other is your typical moto-x blocky tread pattern. Both are fairly worn and I'm in a bit of a conundrum. Which do I replace and put on the bike? I haven't done enough off-road to really know which suits which terrain. I just ride whats on the bike. So... My question to those more experienced than me: Which type should I use? I'll probably get a new MT43 or K760. I know the motox style is better in really loose stuff and mud. Sounds like the trials-hybrid is better in the hardpack. FWIW, I have a tubless setup on one rear wheel so that helps. I have the stuff to outfit the other rear wheel if needed. The Shen 500 wasn't really muddy last year. I've never been to Hatfield McCoy so don't know what to expect. Should I just bite the bullet, replace both, and take both w/ me to Hatfield and pick based on condition?
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by Skinny-J » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:52 pm

I ran quite a few MT43's back in the day. If you are a finesse rider they work great in the Gnar. If you like to spin and steer with the rear; or its muddy out, or steep down hill or for leaning the bike over, then they are not so great. However, my recommendation would be to forget about trying to decide and just get something like a Kenda Equilibrium or Shinko 505 Cheater. The rubber compound is really soft just like a trials tire but the knobbies take care of all the shortcomings that a trials tire has; best of both worlds with no compromise for what you want it for.

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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by Bucho » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:41 pm

My answer will echo skinnyJ's post.

I too used to run the Pirelli MT43 rear tire. That was my tire for my old KTM300. Great tire and seemed to last forever. If you gave me a bike to ride with that on the rear I would be happy. I can work well with it. Like skinnyJ said, they work with more finesse type riding. No "grip it and rip it"/tire spinning antics.

But if its worn you might as well get somthing new. I've run both the Kenda Equilibruim and Shinko 505/Cheater. I'm a big fan of both but I think I like the 505/Cheater a little better. Especially working with Tubliss and running lower pressure. Either would be a great tire at Hatfield's.
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by Wingfixer » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:07 pm

My .02? I've run the equilibrium and currently on my second 505 cheater. I also think the 505 is slightly better than the equilibrium. They both last forever but the 505 likes the lower pressures I run (tubliss) better. I've never run a trials tire 'cause I'm straight. :deal:
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by smdub » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:14 pm

Thanks all! Thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I've looked at the Equilibrium/Cheater. I've noticed the Cheater is not DOT (the Equilibrium is.) Does it matter? I don't really care as long as it doesn't come apart on the few hwy sections we have to do. The Shen500 folks don't check. I'm a slow and not-spin kind of guy. Comes from my <<1hp mtb riding I guess;)
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by Bucho » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:19 pm

smdub wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:14 pm
Thanks all! Thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I've looked at the Equilibrium/Cheater. I've noticed the Cheater is not DOT (the Equilibrium is.) Does it matter? I don't really care as long as it doesn't come apart on the few hwy sections we have to do. The Shen500 folks don't check. I'm a slow and not-spin kind of guy. Comes from my <<1hp mtb riding I guess;)

I know Janis ran a 505/cheater when we did our KAT ride. That had quite a bit of pavement. His tire held up fine.
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by Nobody » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:31 am

Bucho wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:19 pm
smdub wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:14 pm
Thanks all! Thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I've looked at the Equilibrium/Cheater. I've noticed the Cheater is not DOT (the Equilibrium is.) Does it matter? I don't really care as long as it doesn't come apart on the few hwy sections we have to do. The Shen500 folks don't check. I'm a slow and not-spin kind of guy. Comes from my <<1hp mtb riding I guess;)

I know Janis ran a 505/cheater when we did our KAT ride. That had quite a bit of pavement. His tire held up fine.
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by juddspaintballs » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:49 pm

I also like the 505 cheater a lot. I've done a good bit of pavement on them.
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by Boom Boom » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:11 am

Run the 43 you have for Shen, perhaps flip it for a fresh edge. They run forever and the Shen 500 has plenty of asphalt and fast dirt. It will be fine. Get a soft know for Hatfield. Plenty of mud areas where the equilibrium will not work as well. SJ pretty much summed it up.
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Re: Single track rear tire: Trials vs motocross style?

Post by davej » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:05 pm

Here is the dunlop 606 that I have been riding tubliss on since before the colorado trip of 2014. It was seeping slime through the sidewall for the past year or so and finally refused to hold air for more than a couple hours. It would hold no air at granvilles last week but no matter. after at least 40 miles of pounding singletrack, it finally gave up down at 301 and started to wobble too much so I guess its time for a new tire. All these fancy hybrid tires weren't even out when I put this on so this is a great thread for me :think:
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