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Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:27 pm
by BillyGoat
If you're of the school of "better too much than too little" I certainly wouldn't go any HIGHER than 5% more than factory recommendations on torque, with or without the anti-sieze on the threads.
But of course the threads of nut and axle should not have any oil, grease, broken off threads, metal shavings, or galling.
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:45 pm
by phoo
I wasn't saying you should do higher than factory specs. They're the ones who did the studies on metal properties, thread pitch, etc. I'm saying do factory specs, not "reduce the torque by 50% because of the lubricating properties of the anti seize."
But then I torqued my lug nuts with a 2' breaker bar on Saturday. Oops. Mechanical advantage is an amazing thing.
Thanks,
~Patrick
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:11 pm
by BillyGoat
You forgot to mention the 12" cheater you used on the breaker bar.
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:28 pm
by anotherguy
Here's what Bostik has to say concerning their regular grade Never Seez.
Bostik wrote:How Never-Seez Regular Grade Affects Torque:
Compared to unlubricated fasteners, the use of Never-Seez “Regular-Grade” can be viewed 2 ways:
(1) It provides up to 30% MORE clamping force when applying the SAME amount of torque!
(2) It provides the SAME clamping force when applying up to 30% LESS torque!
IMPORTANT!
• In order to best represent typical torque reduction values, Bostik references a “K-Factor” for unlubricated carbon steel fasteners of 0.185.
• Proper torque is critical and, if not clearly understood, users may over-torque their fasteners which may lead to costly damage.
BOSTIK is not liable for any damages incurred. Refer to the Bostik standard warranty for details
Personal testing and experience has given me to use 50% on axles backed up with .032" stainless safety wire. But I use High Nickel Bostik which contains graphite in addition to nickel.
If you wanna dig a little further
here's a good start. You must keep in mind there are rolling elements in the axle equation and over tightening a ball bearing will lead to disaster.
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:33 am
by phoo
Hm. Interesting. On a related note, from a google search about "torque when using antisieze" it looks like I want to get C5A.
Thanks,
~Patrick
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:36 am
by BillyGoat
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:17 am
by Rut Row
I was thinking the same thing!
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:37 pm
by Laoch
Kyler wrote:
I was thinking the same thing!
Me three
DAMN military types.
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:16 pm
by BillyGoat
I guess you send the C5A to "liberate" the axle nut?
Re: Friggin KTM axle cap nuts
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:24 pm
by Laoch
Heat + vice grips+ BFH+ my body weight= success.
Now time for brakes, tires and bearings.
